ARO in Siberia

[Maxim]

Kind time, participants of a forum.
I from Russia, from  Krasnoyarsk .
My name - Maxim.
I have ARO 243 1991 year with a diesel engine
D127. The machine is bought in 1993.
On the moment of purchase the engine was not
absolutely in working order. After
repair, up to this time, is actively maintained in work .
Run - 350000km.
In this year has bought ARO244 1991.
( In 1991 into Russia officially have imported
some of different Romanian technics).
To summer 2008 I plan completely will  return
her to life.
Tomorrow in detail I shall tell what problems were
with 243 in her life.
The question - who can  translate posts
on Russian or English  about D127 and to send
to my emal.
Very interestingly! I also have ideas on this subject.
I shall be very glad if I can receive the answers
to my questions.May be something from my experience
will  appear it is useful for you. Very much I hope.
Now in our city approximately 12 users ARO
( At some till 2 automobiles).
Excuse me at my bad English.

[vstef_is]

Welcome Maxim! I'm not sure if we have anyone speaking Russian here, but almost everyone knows a bit of English, and speaking of which, don't worry about your "bad" English, as long as we can understand, it's perfect!

[Ionut]

Hello and welcome!
Have a nice time here  .

[tarzy]

welcome Maxim

I am happy you make the registration

[Werner]

Zdrazvui te! Wellcome Maxim! I know that ARO export care to Russia, but I didn't know that they are sold in Siberia! Is ARO better than Lada Niva, or UAZ 469?

[cristi-devildnb]

hello Maxim
welcome to our forum

[George]

wellcome Maxim,dear friend of ARO,and hello to the others friends of you,with ARO.
we are glad to share your experience with ARO,and if you want to put some pictures you are wellcome,too.

about translate the informations that you need,for sure in english we will help you. can you be more specific,about your needs? what information exactly you expected to find?

[Dan CHIRIAC]

Hello!

[Maxim]

I thank for kind reception.
Now under the order on  243 (run on the moment of purchase  - 45000км).
The engine.
At purchase (in 1993) I precisely knew, that the engine badly works.
( generally were going to buy UAZ, but so it has turned out, that has bought ARO).
After disassembly the picture was such
- The piston rings are completely worn out, residual width
approximately 2mm
- Almost without deteriorations existing cylinders
- On an antifrictional layer of the bearing shell - in of a cavitys and dents.
Probably - defective goods and not accurate assembly
- overheating ingector sprays
- almost not efficient fuel pump.
As was found out, that spare parts is not and will not be. Firm the buyer
technic has informed, that was not possible to conclude contract on spare part with
by the Romanian partners, and then in general has ceased to exist.
Some spare parts were (came together with machines, but  me they not required) .
And most sad - was not what literature on
to repair. Absolutely casually was possible to find catalogue of spare parts on UTB D127
and catalogue " a body, chassis " .This is everything  the literature which at me is at present!
  Was solved to replace only rings. The rings were made by firm
making ring for hydrocylinders. Slotted oil scraper they
make could, it was necessary put old.
  The pump collected from two from loader mashine BALCANCAR (native was is
completely destroyed).
  Have put injectors from KAMAZ truck. For this purpose it was necessary to increase
depth of a injector nests.
  Have replaced of the valve, which have taken from Russian diesel engine d37.
They have the same diameter of plates, but diam rod = 9 mm.
  After assembly all this has earned, but.....
To summer 1994 it became clear, that at "repair" is made much
nonsenses. The pump worked not correctly and beginnings to die (is assembled  from
second-hand articles), the rings are intended obviously not for work in the motor,
from under one injector has begun to flow coolant, the tractive effort characteristic was bad,
but smoke generation - the steam locomotives envied.
In the same time I bought a complete set of rings made by firm on repair agrotechnics, one more
motor D127 on spare parts (because of suspicious knock and large run, 180000км, him have replaced
on the engine from VOLGA GAZ24).
    In the autumn 1994 have disassembled the motor (and very much in time - appear the cracks
in rings, but existing cilinder were not damaged) .Assembled the bought rings.
Again sorrowfully have examined the bearing shell - in, but to replace not than and pressure
of oil in norm, have left as is.
From the bought motor have taken:
- Fuel pump
- Head of the block in the tax
- Coolant pump.
Did not know the tightening torques - again were guided on D37.
The result simply has stunned:
Tractive effort - as locomotive, clean exhaust , sure start (with candle at
-25C).....
In 2000 is assembled electricl preheating(220V 2kW), in 2004 WEBASTO Termo Top C(4,2kW).
In 2003 has replaced the fuel pump (DPA on VE) and has bought new nozzels (DTP11199,W.Germany).
Up to 2006 problems with the motor practically was not. In 2006 is noticed
the raised expense of oil and not sure start-up without 
preheating, emission of oil through engine breather. It is time to engage  by engine repair.
      To be continued...

[Maxim]

Continue
      Gearbox (4st).
In 2000 has replaced the primary shaft sealing.
Became already appreciable, that, were wore out
synchronizers.
The gearbox  do not is disassembled.
      Transfer box
Two times remained without oil on long driving
( approximately 1000 km) because destruction of front transmission
sealing . The consequences were not.Opened a cover , that to have a look
inside (after loss of oil) .T.B. did not  is disassembled.
      Differential front.
In 2006 has changed of all sealings (  firstly ) and has replaced
needle bearings. Has restored one of fixing
plates (has bursted half-and-half).
The reducer did not  is disassembled.
      Differential rear.
In 1995, 1996 and 1998 is broke bevel gear. But it is separately
history. During last repair has replaced sealing.
From 1998 problems was not.Bevel gear is self-made.
      Propeller shaft.
Occasionally is changed spider.
Are very worn out shaft splines.
      Rear springs.
There is a factory set.
Appreciablly straightening. Once is changed bush shackle.
It is necessary to changed again.
      Coil spring front.
Factory made have broken approximately on 10000 km.
Anything surprising - sitting for a rudder was 
very drunk and tried very quickly grived on recently to ploughed field.
To order have made 4 springs.Diam. of rod =20 mm.
Appreciablly more rigid than made on  factory .
Two is stock.
      Levers
Without damages.
    Bush rubber of forward levers.
In 1998 changed all bush rubber, bottom spherical  assy (original),
pivot steering knuckle assy (did on order )
It is time again to repair.
    Body.
In 2000 have cut off everything is rusty, have welded new.
Has replaced wings (original) and front panel (hand made).
Has removed superfluous of body a detail.
In 2002 has replaced windscreen (did on order).
Other glasses - those that at a factory have put.
    Wheels
With 1993 - from UAZ (disk - steel 6Jх15 ет=26 pnevma 8.40x15)
From 1998 disks - hammered aluminium 8JÑ…15 ет=0 pnevma  235x75x15.
I want to put BFG All Terrain 31x10.5x15, but I am afraid that will cling at
body or other parts.Who нибудь tried such size to put?
      Hubs
Broke off of time five, not less. Repaired - itself i am.
Has bought hubs AVM ( made in Brasil), but there is no time to put.
      Clutch
The month back has replaced in the assembly. Firstly time.
      The electrician.
The global problems were not. Many additions.
The assembly electrical block is replaced and is displaced to a motor compartment,
Is replaced alternator and generator ( Nippon Denco 75A with in build vacuum pump)

Probably all about the past. 

[Maxim]

About D127
In 1998 has bought one more motor on the spare part.
Run about 30000 km. With him have taken away gearbox with
transfer (on case) . Engine have disassembled, and
have carried out detailed inspection. Result
1. wear cylinder - 0.06 mm (most bad result in fourth cylinder), norm.
2.the rings - are worn strongly out
3.crankshaft - sizes in norm
4.bearing shell - in  standardly awful status : cavitys,dents,
dissemination of  metal yellow pieces.
5.camshaft - normal status
All other parts of the motor had a normal kind and
all was reserved , before  need occurrence.
In 2006 have begun preparation to possible repair and
have begun search of rings and bearing shell . Spare parts to ARO
with D127 one firm has found, but price... For example -
rings complete set  on one cylinder - 250$ and so on.
The winter 2006  contacted with firm PENTAROM (Romania,Campulung).
But almost 4 months of correspondence and telephone negotiation
have given zero result. One of the representatives of firm
has told that spare parts for D127 10 years not make...
I make inquiry  on one of European firms making rings about
rings for ARO D127. The answer was negative, but they
have requested the sizes of rings, and when for them of steel are known
the sizes , have answered, that make such rings by order of German and Italian firms.
Further it is possible to find the name of motor  - FIAT 80x.000 or 80x0.01, where Ñ…
number of cylinders. Found, that this large family
motors (analogous family UTB - D111,D115,D121). Spare parts to them  make
everything well-known the manufacturers and many positioned their as
FIAT/IVECO/UTB. The prices - 40$ complete sets of rings (1 cylinder), 100$
the piston, 10$ bearing shell (pair).
Then I has learned, that name of a factory - UTB, instead of VTB.
Attempt of appeal on UTB  - zero result.
MEFIN representatives say , that UTB have problems ,  and they do not work.
At attentive survey of the cylinders block has appeared interesting discrepancy,
namely - size of bushing cylinder FIAT/UTB - 95Ñ…99Ñ…187.But everything UTB ,
which were for me possible measuring, was 95Ñ…103Ñ…187. Bushing diam 103 mm
for FIAT80x0.02 with cylinder diam 100 mm.
A question - whether  was the motor diam 100 mm making in Romania on UTB?
If made, what differences from 95 mm. To me not It is known - whether has changed
camshaft (this very important to know).
Problem such -
1. at sellers have arisen complexity with search by repair of piston (size 95.6 mm).
2 to replace bushing it is impossible owing to discrepancy the outlet diam.
3 prices of piston repair  =  the price of 100 mm piston.
4 100 mm are easy  buying.
Therefore has arisen idea to make motor  100 mm, but without
the of exact information such experiment to carry out
risky and is not cheap (if misfortune). FIAT 8040.02 3456 Ñ

[George]

Maxim,please leave here or in private message, a list with spare parts about you are interested for,and i will try to help you. i will search for you,here,in romania,and tell you the costs,and if you want,i will send to you with TNT international courier.

[Maxim]

                      ARO against others outroaders (user opinion).
  ARO and LADA-NIVA - to compare not so correctly, different weight categories. But I shall do attempt.
My father has LADA-NIVA 21214 (1,7i), therefore sometimes I drive on her.
Naturally , her is have smaller interior and carrying capacity. Comfort, in my opinion, is worse , ( on ours, besides, the rigid shock-absorbers KAYABA and are established tyres BFGoodrich All-Terrain 215x70x16), the effect KOZLENIE (swing in a longitudinal axis), transposition  rear axis on road roughnesses (from behind features of a design of a rear axis suspension). In spite of "full-time" the worse behaviour on gravel road  - easily gets in not controlled drift, but very much reluctantly is leave from him . On the same road (constant summer route) - speed , average and maximal ,  LADA-NIVA 50 and 70 kmh, ARO 70 and 90 kmh. After trip on this road on LADA-NIVA - strong weariness. Therefore on LADA-NIVA , this site (50 km) , I go by asphalt around (80 km). Capacities of the motor - is small, and 1.6C on old machines was even weaker. On ARO, in heavy impassability , sometimes was necessary to use such reception - before a difficult site was activated the manual brake, and then was, in case of need,little braked by the basic brakes what to not enable to rotation to the unloaded wheel (such pseudo-blocking). Do it so on LADA-NIVA is impossible.
  Sizable fuel consumption. Noisy transmission. Not so successful transformation of interior. The smaller weight LADA-NIVA  allows , more often,  chuck out stuck in the mud auto by own forces. With ARO such focus not
passes. Only shovels, winches and more powerful tractor.
  In urban conditions - problem characteristic for everything outroaders. And in general LADA-NIVA it is enough sturdy  and reliable the mashine with rather good outroads by qualities...
                  ARO and UAZ - classmates, and with general roots. But they very much different. On UAZ was kept much archaic of the constructive decisions , which you can see only on IMS57. UAZ have very bad controllability, huge dynamic corridor on speed more 70 kmh, in turns strong effect the taxi by axles , very rigid and not a comfortable axles suspension (but very power-intensive), huge fuel consumption, small stock of motion, bad brakes, awful ergonomics interior. Is very good on impassability, but requires constant service and repair, otherwise quickly become " pail with by screws " ( and very worn through ).
Very poor-quality -
1. assembly 2. detail complete 3. spare parts .
Is not presented , on a home market , the mass diesel version, only experimental parties.
UAZ PATRIOT got rid of many predecessor lacks  but , as at me seems , has lost much. And main, quality, on former level.
On this link (the text on Russian) is possible to read the test UAZ SIMBIR and DERWAYS COWBOY ( was made in Russia on the chassis ARO)
http: // www.off-road-drive.ru/index.php? link=152211 (edition - November 2004).
                ARO24x with D127- (about machines of that party, which get in to Siberia , in 1991).
In common - comfortable saloon , tractive engine ,normal ergonomics, not best, but quite good transformation of interior (and 243, and 244), stable behaviour on a road,  on high speeds, smaller taxi effect in turns, almost not swing in a longitudinal axis, the small fuel consumption(in 2 times is less UAZ), good iscarrying capacity (with opportunity  her exceed), strongly soft front suspension, unsuccessful weighing out between front and rear, the unsuccessfully located fuel tank and exhaust system not so qualitative assembly
(first of all it about the engine), when hard exploitation - on a frame is appearance of cracks  , weak free-wheel-hubs, not the best resistance of a body to corrosion, very much weak salon heaters (both), very weak generator ( there was 36 A), a heavy engine start in winter, weak demaror, some the unsuccessful decisions in the electrician, and main -
on officially the bought party auto (200 pieces) - not one repair instruction and practically no what spare parts.
Majority of machines and has died so - not find of the necessary detail,  the owner sold the machine in parts...
                                    To be continue... 

[Maxim]

        How to attach a file in a forum with a badge as a paper clip?
I shall be, sometimes to fasten a photo. The paper clip is more convenient: want - look, do not want - do not look. And it is less to pay for the traffic (who do not want to look).

[tarzy]

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